marlon2006
08-02 10:43 AM
No. "Canadian experience" is just a lame excuse, partially because Canada has a very subtle racism feeling, but mainly because the economy there is sluggish and weak. I have Canadian PR and lived there for a year seeking jobs. I have dozens of friends, some born in Canada and holding PhD in IT.
I recall very well when I landed there in 1998, I talked to a gentleman who was white, blue eyes. He was the counselor for a government placement program, an educated man. He grew up in Toronto; he reported to me that he felt that many employers in Vancouver, BC many times discriminated him based on his accent from the East. Another gentleman, at the same freaking day I arrived at the airport, was from England and worked in the financing sector. Again, I will never forget he told me "if you ever get a chance to go to the US, go immediately. Canada has no future". Then I met a girl the same day who told me she immigrated to Canada from the Middle East, but kept working illegally in the US. She said that living illegally in the US, with some restrictions applied, is way better than living as a legal resident in Canada. As my friend told me many times, Canada sucks. If you have a warm and sweet family back home and can get an OK job back home, think about it before going to Canada. You may end up there frustrated cursing your idea of coming here to North America. Of course if you come from a hostile place, extremely poor, etc, Canada or many other places should be a good option for you. That's different.
I would think IT experience is the same anywhere so taking it to canada should be ok? If not there are plenty of other management jobs there. It might be a new start but in a one year timespan you will be well established.
Is it just my wishful thinking?
As for masters, are you persuing MBA? How about PMP?
I recall very well when I landed there in 1998, I talked to a gentleman who was white, blue eyes. He was the counselor for a government placement program, an educated man. He grew up in Toronto; he reported to me that he felt that many employers in Vancouver, BC many times discriminated him based on his accent from the East. Another gentleman, at the same freaking day I arrived at the airport, was from England and worked in the financing sector. Again, I will never forget he told me "if you ever get a chance to go to the US, go immediately. Canada has no future". Then I met a girl the same day who told me she immigrated to Canada from the Middle East, but kept working illegally in the US. She said that living illegally in the US, with some restrictions applied, is way better than living as a legal resident in Canada. As my friend told me many times, Canada sucks. If you have a warm and sweet family back home and can get an OK job back home, think about it before going to Canada. You may end up there frustrated cursing your idea of coming here to North America. Of course if you come from a hostile place, extremely poor, etc, Canada or many other places should be a good option for you. That's different.
I would think IT experience is the same anywhere so taking it to canada should be ok? If not there are plenty of other management jobs there. It might be a new start but in a one year timespan you will be well established.
Is it just my wishful thinking?
As for masters, are you persuing MBA? How about PMP?
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shree772000
10-10 12:15 PM
If you are not in india, then you are somewhere to earn more than you do than in india. So investment is safe if you can afford to invest in that property without a loan. If you are taking a loan you are getting ripped off. STOP there.
to me agricultural land is next to investment in gold. agri land always holds value(sale value) or appreciates over time. Always you can get decent return by farming something there. So my belief is you always get 6%+ return on investment over short/long period of time.
city properties are just a ripp off. So get only one property if you want to live for yourself.. Investment of say 50 lacs on a flat(condo), may give you a good rent. But for how long? and what % of interest you pay on that loan? And what will the aging affect be on that flat!!...
that way land | house is better choice!
To me below are investment items first the highest safety + return(decreasing order or preference)
1. gold(other precious metals)
2. treasary bonds../govt assured accounts
2. agri land(either in india or US, in is labor is higher)
3. city independent houses
4. select mutual funds
5. stock market
6. Condos
I concur. The order will vary a little bit depending on market for shhort term gains. But for current market I think this order makes sense and also for building a long term low risk portfolio.
to me agricultural land is next to investment in gold. agri land always holds value(sale value) or appreciates over time. Always you can get decent return by farming something there. So my belief is you always get 6%+ return on investment over short/long period of time.
city properties are just a ripp off. So get only one property if you want to live for yourself.. Investment of say 50 lacs on a flat(condo), may give you a good rent. But for how long? and what % of interest you pay on that loan? And what will the aging affect be on that flat!!...
that way land | house is better choice!
To me below are investment items first the highest safety + return(decreasing order or preference)
1. gold(other precious metals)
2. treasary bonds../govt assured accounts
2. agri land(either in india or US, in is labor is higher)
3. city independent houses
4. select mutual funds
5. stock market
6. Condos
I concur. The order will vary a little bit depending on market for shhort term gains. But for current market I think this order makes sense and also for building a long term low risk portfolio.
sc3
06-12 02:33 PM
I posted this before, but got nowhere (read: did not get the answer I hoped for), hopefully people with little bit more legalese can answer on this discrepancy.
According to 8usc 1153 (b)(3)A : "Visas shall be made available, in a number not to exceed 28.6 percent of such worldwide level, plus any visas not required for the classes specified in paragraphs (1) and (2), to the following classes of aliens who are not described in paragraph (2)".
Which means that EB3 should be getting the unused visa numbers from EB1 at around the same time as EB2, and not only if EB2 also does not need the numbers.
Is the reading that EB2 and EB3 should concurrently share the number on the right track? And if so, is USCIS rolling over the numbers in the right manner?
If EB3 were to get rolled over numbers only after EB2 is satisfied consuming EB1, the language would have been similarly worded as the last part of 1153(b)(3)A "... to the following classes of aliens who are not described in paragraph (2)".
According to 8usc 1153 (b)(3)A : "Visas shall be made available, in a number not to exceed 28.6 percent of such worldwide level, plus any visas not required for the classes specified in paragraphs (1) and (2), to the following classes of aliens who are not described in paragraph (2)".
Which means that EB3 should be getting the unused visa numbers from EB1 at around the same time as EB2, and not only if EB2 also does not need the numbers.
Is the reading that EB2 and EB3 should concurrently share the number on the right track? And if so, is USCIS rolling over the numbers in the right manner?
If EB3 were to get rolled over numbers only after EB2 is satisfied consuming EB1, the language would have been similarly worded as the last part of 1153(b)(3)A "... to the following classes of aliens who are not described in paragraph (2)".
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Canadian_Dream
09-13 02:08 PM
Anyone thinking that there will be a bill passed in near future that will overhaul skilled immigration process needs a reality check. Now I am not discouraging anyone from trying, I am also suffering through this mess and in no better position. The reasoning behind my assumption is following:
1. Lawmakers serve America and Americans. In theory anything that passes must look like it is serving their interest. Most laws/actions MUST look like it is helping Americans directly or indirectly, more so in an election year. That's why with less than 60 days for election it is not wise for them to spend time in enacting and debating laws that helps immigrants. It simply makes no sense.
2. You can argue that helping skilled immigrants will help America greatly and there is an urgency to enact such laws. Unfortunately no matter what media says, there is no such urgency seen by either law makers or their advisers. The reason, being there is no mass exodus for skilled immigrants, I know a few who have gone back but most of us are still here waiting for visa bulletin evey month hoping that some miracle will happen some day. Even if there is a mass exodus, there are enough people in India/China/Eastern Europe who will be more than happy to be here and do whatever we are doing. Simple law of numbers.
3. It can also be argued that America is not producing enough talents in Science and technology and hence we should throw a red carpet to anyone who can buy his way through the MS program from an American university. Unfortunately for us, a lot of us are doing mundane jobs and do not make a big impact in the economy the way techies used to be in late 90's. The best and the brightest are well taken care of (read: EB1/NIW) even today, for the rest us there isn't a desire nor a need to expidite the process in any manner. It will only help us, and we don't matter.
4. There isn't much shortage of skilled professionals, definitely not of the proportion that 65,000 visas are gone in 2 months. The only shortage I see is of numbers of "Visas". Although it is hard to find good people in technology but that problem cannot be solved by making that number higher. I am not sure what's the reason.
So what can we do ?
In short we are just a John Doe seeking better life which unfortunately isn't there in our home country. We should enhance our Skills (NOT skill bill) and help ourself to do well in anywhere. One thing is use 3 years extensions to chnage jobs and do well.
We can also align ourselves with H1B lobby/Healthcare lobby and request to file I-485 without visa numbers. That will at least stop some of the indentured servitude and our spouses can work.
1. Lawmakers serve America and Americans. In theory anything that passes must look like it is serving their interest. Most laws/actions MUST look like it is helping Americans directly or indirectly, more so in an election year. That's why with less than 60 days for election it is not wise for them to spend time in enacting and debating laws that helps immigrants. It simply makes no sense.
2. You can argue that helping skilled immigrants will help America greatly and there is an urgency to enact such laws. Unfortunately no matter what media says, there is no such urgency seen by either law makers or their advisers. The reason, being there is no mass exodus for skilled immigrants, I know a few who have gone back but most of us are still here waiting for visa bulletin evey month hoping that some miracle will happen some day. Even if there is a mass exodus, there are enough people in India/China/Eastern Europe who will be more than happy to be here and do whatever we are doing. Simple law of numbers.
3. It can also be argued that America is not producing enough talents in Science and technology and hence we should throw a red carpet to anyone who can buy his way through the MS program from an American university. Unfortunately for us, a lot of us are doing mundane jobs and do not make a big impact in the economy the way techies used to be in late 90's. The best and the brightest are well taken care of (read: EB1/NIW) even today, for the rest us there isn't a desire nor a need to expidite the process in any manner. It will only help us, and we don't matter.
4. There isn't much shortage of skilled professionals, definitely not of the proportion that 65,000 visas are gone in 2 months. The only shortage I see is of numbers of "Visas". Although it is hard to find good people in technology but that problem cannot be solved by making that number higher. I am not sure what's the reason.
So what can we do ?
In short we are just a John Doe seeking better life which unfortunately isn't there in our home country. We should enhance our Skills (NOT skill bill) and help ourself to do well in anywhere. One thing is use 3 years extensions to chnage jobs and do well.
We can also align ourselves with H1B lobby/Healthcare lobby and request to file I-485 without visa numbers. That will at least stop some of the indentured servitude and our spouses can work.
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h1techSlave
05-26 12:41 PM
There is a chance that all unused visas over the last several years will get assigned to FB quota and EB folks will loose all those visas for ever.
There is nothing in it for us. In-fact, if this bill passes, they are goin got apply the unused visa numbers towards FB, and we will lose any chance of re-capture, for-ever.
I think, we have a lost cause. The sooner we accept this, the better. We simply do not have the funds, commitment and political support that the illegals enjoy. We all know where the maximum nubver of FB immigrants are from, and they represent a big block of votes, since most of them happen to have the herd mentality, due to lack of education.
We, on the other hand, are educated, well read, tax paying people, who actually think about issues and merits of a person, hence no use to politicians.
There is nothing in it for us. In-fact, if this bill passes, they are goin got apply the unused visa numbers towards FB, and we will lose any chance of re-capture, for-ever.
I think, we have a lost cause. The sooner we accept this, the better. We simply do not have the funds, commitment and political support that the illegals enjoy. We all know where the maximum nubver of FB immigrants are from, and they represent a big block of votes, since most of them happen to have the herd mentality, due to lack of education.
We, on the other hand, are educated, well read, tax paying people, who actually think about issues and merits of a person, hence no use to politicians.
ganguteli
05-13 10:56 AM
This might come as a surprise to some of you, but someone needs to say it out loud. GET A LIFE FOLKS!!!! there is more to life then EB, GC and all. it seem all we desi's can think of is how to get a green card so we can live here with peace and never have to worry bout getting laid off or anything.
Few points:
1) having gc is a privilege not a right.
2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.
3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.
4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)
5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.
Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.
Nitin
You get a life you coward.
You posted junk and did not do anything on IV in the last 1 year. Now suddenly when your dates are not available you come here to teach others to get a life.
Why don't you get a life and go back to India and get a life there. If you are happy in Canada, then be happy there. Do not teach us. For all of us you are simply a coward who ran away from problems rather than face and fight it. And why do you care about Fraud etc.. if you are in Canada driving Taxi!!!!!
You seem to be an anti-immigrant to me. We have seen many in the last few days and they were rightfully kicked out.
Few points:
1) having gc is a privilege not a right.
2) US has every right to choose whom they want to have in their country.
3) If getting PR or citizenship of a western country is the goal there are many countries which have a fair point based system.
4) Considering the number of fraud's committed by Indian body shoppers and people who use them, i am not surprised USCIS is extra careful when it comes to Indian applications. Anyone who got his wife with no exp with software dev an h1b visa from some cheat in Jersey knows what i am talking bout . My freind got his wife an H1 after showing she knew software testing even though her major was fine arts and all she was good at was web surfing :)
5) have a back up. i came here in 2001 as student and have seen it all. I am on h1b since 2004. i knew we have too many people whose sole aim in life is a American GC. to avoid becoming one of those who check processing dates first thing in morning, i applied for Canadian PR, got it in 8 months and i am not even gonna bother applying for labor, i-140 and all those precious life controlling documents.
Wake up friends, you have options. Don't let your life depend on you application status.
Nitin
You get a life you coward.
You posted junk and did not do anything on IV in the last 1 year. Now suddenly when your dates are not available you come here to teach others to get a life.
Why don't you get a life and go back to India and get a life there. If you are happy in Canada, then be happy there. Do not teach us. For all of us you are simply a coward who ran away from problems rather than face and fight it. And why do you care about Fraud etc.. if you are in Canada driving Taxi!!!!!
You seem to be an anti-immigrant to me. We have seen many in the last few days and they were rightfully kicked out.
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akhilmahajan
04-28 04:26 PM
Its a law and if one follows it, there is nothing wrong in it.
As Chandu has mentioned, lets not interpret it the way we want. Its a law, and it gives us the option to have some kind of liberty. If you have not done anything wrong, and have followed the law, eventually everything will fall in place. Although during this journey we will have to face some tough challenges but in the end we will win it.
So, lets all get together in getting ourselves heard.
As Chandu has mentioned, lets not interpret it the way we want. Its a law, and it gives us the option to have some kind of liberty. If you have not done anything wrong, and have followed the law, eventually everything will fall in place. Although during this journey we will have to face some tough challenges but in the end we will win it.
So, lets all get together in getting ourselves heard.
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10-03 03:45 PM
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This post molests the definition of argument/debate, medical science and logic in general. Actually, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Internet hates you for this post.
on how you intentionally lied to get into US?
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Internet hates you for this post.
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nviren
04-19 02:46 AM
logiclife, ragz4u,
All things considered, do you think it will be a good idea to call up the members to remind them that IV needs contribution?
If you think so, then we can form a group of, say, 10 people and each of them would call 200 members nudging them about contribution.
I will volunteer to be on the group.
All things considered, do you think it will be a good idea to call up the members to remind them that IV needs contribution?
If you think so, then we can form a group of, say, 10 people and each of them would call 200 members nudging them about contribution.
I will volunteer to be on the group.
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chanduv23
02-01 12:58 PM
Consulting companies bring physicians to the US annd place them for research and observerships, these candidates while doing research, do their USMLE and when they get a residency transfer h1b.
I have seen newspaper advertisements in India inviting MBBS doctors for these jobs
I have seen newspaper advertisements in India inviting MBBS doctors for these jobs
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shx
10-02 11:44 PM
I wont get into EB2/EB3 fights, but tell you what my opinion about this is.
The law definitely supports interfiling and priority date porting. However, this is like reserving seats on a bus by throwing your handkerchief in good old India. It is unfair to let people jump ahead in the queue, even though they acquired the eligibility to file in EB2, at a far later date.
There might be some genuine cases where people could not file in EB2, even though they were eligible. I only support these cases.
I've a pending EB2 485. However, let me be honest. If I had EB3 to start with, I too would've interfiled in EB2 and would've ported my priority date. Who wouldn't do it if the law allowed them to!
The law definitely supports interfiling and priority date porting. However, this is like reserving seats on a bus by throwing your handkerchief in good old India. It is unfair to let people jump ahead in the queue, even though they acquired the eligibility to file in EB2, at a far later date.
There might be some genuine cases where people could not file in EB2, even though they were eligible. I only support these cases.
I've a pending EB2 485. However, let me be honest. If I had EB3 to start with, I too would've interfiled in EB2 and would've ported my priority date. Who wouldn't do it if the law allowed them to!
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gk_2000
04-18 10:03 PM
Here are my case details as well.
Came to US in Aug 1999 on F-1 after B.Tech. Graduated with MS (Telecom) in Dec 2000. Joined a major telecom firm immediately after graduation. My first EB-3 labor was filed in Dec 2001 (Non-RIR) but employer withdrew it because of lay-offs. Employer filed again in Nov'03 (Non-RIR again) and it was approved in March 2007 (after RIR conversion in Jan 2007) by Dallas BEC, followed by I-140 approval (March 2007) and I-485 filing in July 2007. Though my job required a MS degree, my employer could not file in EB-2 as there were people in my team with just Bachelors degree when they joined the company 10-15 yrs ago and lawyer did not advise employer to file in EB-2 as EB-3 was current those days......After surviving 12 rounds of lay-offs, no job security whatsoever throughout and fed up with EB3 process, I changed jobs after 8.5 yrs (July 2009) and my new job required a minimum of MS + 6 yrs of experience and fortunately my new employer (another large company) had no issues re-starting the process again. I work in Mobile Communications R&D (developing networks which support smart phones (2G/3G and now 4G-LTE technology) have been in this field since Jan 2001) and here are my EB-2 case details:
Joined new employer in July 2009
PERM Prep work took 6 months
EB2 PERM filed: March 30th, 2010 (MS + 6 yrs or BS + 8 yrs as min requirements)
EB2 PERM approved: Aug 11th, 2010
EB2 I-140 filed: Aug 27th, 2010 (Premium Processing, EB3 I-140 approval copy enclosed with request to Port EB3 PD)
EB2 I-140 and I-485 approved concurrently on Sep 3rd, 2010
Cards received Sep 7th, 2010
Hope this helps.
Truly borderline EB1. Congrats!
Came to US in Aug 1999 on F-1 after B.Tech. Graduated with MS (Telecom) in Dec 2000. Joined a major telecom firm immediately after graduation. My first EB-3 labor was filed in Dec 2001 (Non-RIR) but employer withdrew it because of lay-offs. Employer filed again in Nov'03 (Non-RIR again) and it was approved in March 2007 (after RIR conversion in Jan 2007) by Dallas BEC, followed by I-140 approval (March 2007) and I-485 filing in July 2007. Though my job required a MS degree, my employer could not file in EB-2 as there were people in my team with just Bachelors degree when they joined the company 10-15 yrs ago and lawyer did not advise employer to file in EB-2 as EB-3 was current those days......After surviving 12 rounds of lay-offs, no job security whatsoever throughout and fed up with EB3 process, I changed jobs after 8.5 yrs (July 2009) and my new job required a minimum of MS + 6 yrs of experience and fortunately my new employer (another large company) had no issues re-starting the process again. I work in Mobile Communications R&D (developing networks which support smart phones (2G/3G and now 4G-LTE technology) have been in this field since Jan 2001) and here are my EB-2 case details:
Joined new employer in July 2009
PERM Prep work took 6 months
EB2 PERM filed: March 30th, 2010 (MS + 6 yrs or BS + 8 yrs as min requirements)
EB2 PERM approved: Aug 11th, 2010
EB2 I-140 filed: Aug 27th, 2010 (Premium Processing, EB3 I-140 approval copy enclosed with request to Port EB3 PD)
EB2 I-140 and I-485 approved concurrently on Sep 3rd, 2010
Cards received Sep 7th, 2010
Hope this helps.
Truly borderline EB1. Congrats!
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h1techSlave
05-26 12:41 PM
There is a chance that all unused visas over the last several years will get assigned to FB quota and EB folks will loose all those visas for ever.
There is nothing in it for us. In-fact, if this bill passes, they are goin got apply the unused visa numbers towards FB, and we will lose any chance of re-capture, for-ever.
I think, we have a lost cause. The sooner we accept this, the better. We simply do not have the funds, commitment and political support that the illegals enjoy. We all know where the maximum nubver of FB immigrants are from, and they represent a big block of votes, since most of them happen to have the herd mentality, due to lack of education.
We, on the other hand, are educated, well read, tax paying people, who actually think about issues and merits of a person, hence no use to politicians.
There is nothing in it for us. In-fact, if this bill passes, they are goin got apply the unused visa numbers towards FB, and we will lose any chance of re-capture, for-ever.
I think, we have a lost cause. The sooner we accept this, the better. We simply do not have the funds, commitment and political support that the illegals enjoy. We all know where the maximum nubver of FB immigrants are from, and they represent a big block of votes, since most of them happen to have the herd mentality, due to lack of education.
We, on the other hand, are educated, well read, tax paying people, who actually think about issues and merits of a person, hence no use to politicians.
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akred
03-14 01:09 PM
You can ask all you want about not allowing porting from EB3 to EB2 or not letting keep the priority date in doing so. IV is not going to endorse it. Reality is job done by EB2 or EB3 especially in IT is very much alike.
Moving from EB3 to EB2 is for worthy cause of getting GC faster in legitimate and ethical way.
True. Us old timer EB3 folks should then ask for a salary based criteria to determine preference category ;).
Moving from EB3 to EB2 is for worthy cause of getting GC faster in legitimate and ethical way.
True. Us old timer EB3 folks should then ask for a salary based criteria to determine preference category ;).
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sammyb
10-12 05:10 PM
hey wawa...
That is so strange.....Our dates also match...I too got an email on 28th September ...this is so bizzare..,,have you received the notice from USCIS ?? Since you have an aproved GC it sounds even more bizzare ...please keep me posted of any developements and I will do the same ...
or may be a virus attack ... too coincidental to have sent notice on same day ...
my 1.9 cents ...
That is so strange.....Our dates also match...I too got an email on 28th September ...this is so bizzare..,,have you received the notice from USCIS ?? Since you have an aproved GC it sounds even more bizzare ...please keep me posted of any developements and I will do the same ...
or may be a virus attack ... too coincidental to have sent notice on same day ...
my 1.9 cents ...
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rimzhim
02-01 04:54 PM
Anti-immigrants can not be able to pick on this, because Retrogression will worsen all these things. Those people will continute to work with those desi consulting companys irrespective of the fact that they have GCs or not, because they cannot stand on their own feet.
If the retrogression goes away then people with good skills can move freely in the market and will be more readily available to the market. In fact that would harm thse companys big time. Currently both good and not so good people are hostage in the hands of these companys and these companys are sort of dictating the makket conditions.
In economic terms the difference is same as Free market and monopolistic market.
thx. this is enlightening for me! survival of these companies hurts ppl with high skills, it increases retrogression, and it untimately harms the economy as well.
If the retrogression goes away then people with good skills can move freely in the market and will be more readily available to the market. In fact that would harm thse companys big time. Currently both good and not so good people are hostage in the hands of these companys and these companys are sort of dictating the makket conditions.
In economic terms the difference is same as Free market and monopolistic market.
thx. this is enlightening for me! survival of these companies hurts ppl with high skills, it increases retrogression, and it untimately harms the economy as well.
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06-06 06:23 PM
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raju123
02-13 05:59 PM
I support IV
Go IV and have solution for Retrogression
Go IV and have solution for Retrogression
dagabaaj
02-05 05:38 PM
EVERY SINGLE ITEM on our goals benefits H4 spouses indirectly. Including the short term goals of IV.
Well what eb3_nepa and me are eluding to has no intention of superseeding the main agenda nor is it in anyway a distraction, it just the germination of an idea out of circumstantial frustration. Also if we truly belive what we are doing is right then there is no question of leaving this forum.
We all support the main agenda and also have a very positive attitude that we will see the light of a bright new day very soon. God willing we all will have our GC in 2 years or so.
Well what eb3_nepa and me are eluding to has no intention of superseeding the main agenda nor is it in anyway a distraction, it just the germination of an idea out of circumstantial frustration. Also if we truly belive what we are doing is right then there is no question of leaving this forum.
We all support the main agenda and also have a very positive attitude that we will see the light of a bright new day very soon. God willing we all will have our GC in 2 years or so.
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